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Anthony Caruana
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| byteme wrote: |
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| The real innovation is in the UI...a gesture-based touchscreen UI. Not a point and poke interface, not a stylus as a mouse UI but a real gesture driven system. |
Actually, that's my problem with it. Since many gestures will require two fingers, Apple's iPhone is a two-handed device (this is also why I prefer WM5 SP to PPC). Further, the lack of hard buttons means that "blind dialing" is all but impossible.
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Actually what concerns me more is what happens if the screen dies? No way to make or receive calls.
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The dependence on the touchscreen is not that different to many of the devices we are already using. While you might retain some functionality with the smartphones we have today they are mostly useless without their touchscreen.
BTW - I think you've missed some of my point - Apple rarely releases a piece of technology without some larger purpose. The new touchscreen (which I think is made by Synaptics - see an update of the blog post I referred to earlier) and the UI points to a very big change in the way many devices work.
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byteme
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The dependence on the touchscreen is not that different to many of the devices we are already using. While you might retain some functionality with the smartphones we have today they are mostly useless without their touchscreen. |
Sure but you would still retain basic phone fuction which IMO is a big deal.
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crispeto
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I don't see it as Toyota vs BMW or Lexus. I see it more like a SUV vs a minivan. Just depends on what you like more and which suits your life better. I'm serious when I say my wife would not trade her moto v710 straight across for an iphone. To my wife, her v710 is the BMW or Lexus. She doesn't want any type of computer phone. There is no "better" phone. It just depends on what you want/need.
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subzerohf
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There is one term that was mentioned a while back in this forum .... caressability. The iPod has it; therefore Apple has made a killing with it. The question now is whether the iPhone has the same level of caressability. If it does, then people will dig it, period.
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Mike Temporale
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| There is one term that was mentioned a while back in this forum .... caressability. The iPod has it; therefore Apple has made a killing with it. The question now is whether the iPhone has the same level of caressability. If it does, then people will dig it, period. |
Bingo. Doesn't matter if it suits your needs 100% or not, if it's caressable then people want it and buy it. I find my Blackjack caressable. 
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sven
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I finally managed to view the demos on Apple's site. Had some issues with the proprietary Apple viewers required to see them. Actually looks pretty cool. The UI part anyway.
I'm curious to see if folks will actually commit themselves to $50 + a month for 2 years and Cingular for the privilege of paying $500 for this thing. Why $50?, well $29.95 is about the cheapest voice plan you can get and if Cingular lets you get away with the unlimited MediaNet thing, that's $20. Don't see folks wanting this without the voice and data capabilities. Without it it's another iPod.
Wonder what unlocked ones will go for 
Anybody seen a shot of the back? How do you get the SIM in...or out? Apple never has really liked doors, for things like replacable batteries...messes with the aesthetics.
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WorksForTurkeys
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| There is one term that was mentioned a while back in this forum .... caressability. The iPod has it; therefore Apple has made a killing with it. The question now is whether the iPhone has the same level of caressability. If it does, then people will dig it, period. |
Bingo. Doesn't matter if it suits your needs 100% or not, if it's caressable then people want it and buy it. I find my Blackjack caressable.
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not that I'm arguing with you, but would you have bought your Blackjack for $500? How many non-commercial customers will pay $500 for a non-business usable phone?
caressable is nice, but Apple really needs to break the corporate market: for example, my employer alone represents a 170,000 cellphone users globally. at least 50% use Treos. (I'm not part of that 50%) will those people be able to switch to an iPhone? probably not, because our internal support groups will simply not support an entertainment oriented device and the company will not reimburse or approve the costs for an entertainment device.
most of these people probably own ipods, but I doubt they will pay $500 out of their own pockets for an iPhone they cannot deduct or submit for reimbursement.
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juni
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I'm glad there are some more phone options out there. I like Windows Mobile: I think it is the one OS Microsoft has gotten right of them all.
I also like the idea of the iPhone, simply because it is a sexy device (then again, I think my wife's HTC Star Trek is a sexy device too ).
What if a WM device maker had come out with the iPhone (and it was running WM)? You'd all be all over it.  .
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Anthony Caruana
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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| most of these people probably own ipods, but I doubt they will pay $500 out of their own pockets for an iPhone they cannot deduct or submit for reimbursement. |
Hehe - in Australia, the law specifies that the device has to be available unlocked or can be unloacked at no cost.
Also, the tax system here would allow the iPhone to be purchased as a salary sacrifice - it's purchased from pre-tax salary meaning that you can reduce your taxable income.
Given that the iPhone is likely to cost about $1200AUD (unlocked, no phone company subsidies) many people will be able to buy the iPhone for about $700AUD.
As the same rules don't cover "straight" mobile phones (PDAs are OK) or iPods, the iPhone might actually be a good value purchase.
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Stinger
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| ...and a tired music player design inside. |
Tired compared to what? WMP for Smartphone? I know which one I would choose.
I think you've totally missed the point of the iPhone. Yes, most of the technology and software it uses is available on phones not just announced for release in June but actually available today.
However, the same can be said for the iPod. It's rivals all have equivelent products and most of them have more features. Yet the iPod continues to outsell all of its rivals by a significant distance.
What Apple are renowned for is taking technology and creating an integrated experience that anyone can use and packaging it in a sleek and desirable casing. If they do the same for the iPhone then they will have a winner on their hands. Assuming they don't get sued into the ground first. 
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| caressable is nice, but Apple really needs to break the corporate market: for example, my employer alone represents a 170,000 cellphone users globally. at least 50% use Treos. |
I don't agree at all. Globally, RIM, Microsoft (HTC) and Palm have almost the entire enterprise market between them. Yet if you add their sales together they still look insignificant compared to even one of the smaller consumer handset manufacturers like Sony Ericsson. The consumer market for call phones is massive and absolutely dwarfs the enterprise sector. That's why RIM has started to market phones like the Pearl.
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