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Kris Kumar
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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socrates wrote: |
The total crippling of this thing out of the box on June 29th is all about software. They could release an update that simply adds all the things it doesn't have and poof just like that it COULD compete with WM and Symbian and etc. |
I agree that just for that reason Microsoft should take Apple seriously. They can add Exchange ActiveSync support. They can add Bluetooth profile for A2DP and for hooking up to a GPS sensor. Though integrating the GPS sensor with the browser based Google Maps will be tricky.
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Kris Kumar
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Rocco Augusto wrote: |
.. that gigantic OS which I'm sure will have a ton of holes for people to exploit. |
I am sure it has holes, so does Safari browser. If the OS is the same as the desktop like Apple claims then it will be easily to write exploits. Otherwise Apple's idea of keeping developers out and not providing developer kits and not having BT file sync profile etc makes the phone pretty secure. The key thing is that it is not an open-welcome platform like Microsoft, BB, Symbian and Palm; out of which Microsoft and Symbian are probably the most open ones.
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Edgar
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I have an 8Gb iphone - of course, Im a gadget freak. The interface is simply amazing, parts are slow, some are t0o many taps - both will be addressed Im sure.
My brother "had to have one" and gave me a 8Gb because he is visiting for two weeks unannounced with his fiancee - "least I could do bro for imposing".
The SIM card is easily accessible from the top - havent tried another sim in it yet to see what happens. Covered in HowardForums extensively - I can take my Iphone one and put it in my Blackjack anytime and be supported even with data. Within a mm its about same size of BJ - a bit heavier though. Battery life, seems ok and I used wifi extensively. Cant find an office I cant walk into and find a apple ipod charger.
$20 unlimited data - 'nuff said. Works well enough for EDGE - 50% of the time I am in edge territory anyways - and iIlive in San Francisco which is pretty heavily covered in 3g
The Keyboard after 2 days is pretty damn good actually, Im happily suprise. The predictive text is far superior to my Blackjack
Safari vs Pie - Pie is crap, nuff said.
Safari vs Opera Mini - still superior. Most pages work great and are easily read (and zoomed). And, java/Flash support is already in the works. flipping to landscape just rocks too
YouTube, my gosh I was very surprised on how well this worked on Edge, if you give it a 30sec headstart it didnt force a pause for me on a 3min video. I tried this a dozen times, in different places.
MMS, yes, this one ticks me off, but again, thats just a software update. It's coming
Slow (well not really as bad as a blackjack with 5 things open), ok, so they'll tune it - they have 1M testers now. OS size - who cares, there's space to spare, a strong enough Proc and again, they'll tune it, they are good at doing that vs MS.
This is SO far ahead of what WinMo was in its first iteration. Im opening word/excel PDF now, clearly on a 3.5" screen - I am interfacing with many apps that today Winmo cant. My L2TP and PPTP VPNs both work fine as well.
Mail is better, not sure who said it was worse. Full IMAP/POP support with full HTML as well, clean laid out normal mails (such as the Winmo HTML newsletter came up perfect).
I can carry this and not both my blackjack and Ipod. I use an ipod in my car, and at work - I dont have to now.
BT in car. It supports my BMW, my blackjack didn't.
My complaints. cant unlock yet, I stress yet. The US laws are changing and I suspect they will have no choice.
Price - well, why subsidize if it sells out without one? Also, that is more a USA model of GSM phone purchasing then Europe. In Europe you buy the phone at retail price if you want the cool factor.
3rd party apps, bah people will flock to get apple cerified apps avail - they'll sell them on Itunes
Itunes dependency - sure its propritary - and works better than Active Synch (so far)
Updates - Apple has always been agressive about updating, I suspect this will get plenty of upgrades/fixes. I also suspect by theis time next year Gen2 Iphone will already be out and still ahead of Winmo
So, I'll continue to use both and decide for my work/play which I find better. I am in the mobile industry as an operator, I play with all the latest handsets (All but Nokia, incl RIM). This is a really cool device.
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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GPS
How are they fitting to E911 laws? Just using LBS from the cell towers? Never looked in to that.
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JohnJohn
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Ok Guys I have one and I really like it. Maybe this is a fad for me, wouldn't be the first time. I bought my first Apple Computer 90 days ago, and now I have two & and an iPhone.
This replaced my BlackJack. I should say that since I got my Blackberry 8800 I have only been using my BJ for phone features. My business is on Exchange and I love the interface between Exchange/BES/BB8800. I won't be replacing my 8800 with the iPhone. Exchange via IMAP is not enough.
As far as my "iPhonethoughts". I really think this was a very, very smart move on Apples part. I'm not talking about marketing BS and all this hype, although it has worked out well. I am talking about lack of third party software. I think it's brilliant! After running everything, and I mean everything from a PalmPilot to a BlackJack I must say that the third part apps are what has ruined every single device for me. I would get a new PocketPC/SmartPhone, run home and load PInformant, Resco and a ton of others to get the device useable. Then after a week or so when the newness wears off it was too slow, or hard reset prone, etc. I don't mean to say that this device won't be that way, but at least not at first.
So Apple releases the iPhone, everyone with a RAZR runs out and gets one, from 7th graders to Grandma's. A few weeks or months pass by during which all the un-techy folks learn how to use this thing, start asking what's POP email and so on. Then Apple lets loose the licensing of third party apps. After your in love with it the buggy software comes out. No one blames Apple when the device starts crashing.
There truly is huge potential here. Yes there are quite a few things I wish I had on my iPhone.
- true MS Exchange
- Quicktime recorder via the camera
- iTunes store via the iPhone
- IM
- weekly calendar view
- wireless sync of Address Book and iCal (after all i am a .mac user)
- a way to access iDisk
- file manager/document sync'r
- GPS receiver inside
- 3G (Denver so i don't have it now, but might SOMEDAY)
- expandable memory
- replaceable battery
- video output (no it does not do video output like and iPod)
All in all I really enjoy it, sorry. 
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onlydarksets
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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JohnJohn wrote: |
As far as my "iPhonethoughts". I really think this was a very, very smart move on Apples part. I'm not talking about marketing BS and all this hype, although it has worked out well. I am talking about lack of third party software. I think it's brilliant! After running everything, and I mean everything from a PalmPilot to a BlackJack I must say that the third part apps are what has ruined every single device for me. I would get a new PocketPC/SmartPhone, run home and load PInformant, Resco and a ton of others to get the device useable. Then after a week or so when the newness wears off it was too slow, or hard reset prone, etc. I don't mean to say that this device won't be that way, but at least not at first. |
This has been my impression as well - what Apple has always succeeded incredibly well at are closed systems. Their laptops are able to do things that Windows laptops can't do because Apple owns the hardware and the software. The iPod/iTunes/ITMS triumverate defined closed systems. Now, by controlling the hardware and the software (not to mention iTunes and activation), the iPhone is able to do things that WM phones just can't do.
However, this is also why OS X is an "also ran" in the marketplace - the true market drivers (businesses, not individuals) demand flexibility and extensibility. Apple may license BB's software, giving them true push email on Exchange. However, Apple is controlling what people may do with the iPhone, which means that, while it will certainly be a consumer success, it will not overtake the enterprise without a drastic change in approach.
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onlydarksets
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Also, I'm tired of hearing about the battery life. My 2G WM phones got at least 5 hours of talk time. And, I could bring a spare battery. Try popping 3G in there and see what happens.
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JohnJohn
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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onlydarksets wrote: |
However, this is also why OS X is an "also ran" in the marketplace - the true market drivers (businesses, not individuals) demand flexibility and extensibility. Apple may license BB's software, giving them true push email on Exchange. However, Apple is controlling what people may do with the iPhone, which means that, while it will certainly be a consumer success, it will not overtake the enterprise without a drastic change in approach. |
I think there is more on the business front. I searched jobs at Apple. They are in the process hiring business development people for placement Apple stores. These job description holds these people responsible for sourcing small to medium size business opportunities. I believe this to be the next phase for Apple. Steve Jobs hinted at this in a speech, sorry can't quote, or reference.
Now will this version of the iPhone be a part of that, not sure. I would guess that we'll know more when Leopard releases; maybe as soon as Office 2007 releases for MAC. If this phone is part of those solutions, I would guess we'll begin to see more "movers". Now, all said from a recent "mover", so take it for what it's worth. 
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simpleme
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject: OS Size |
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Actually the OS size is pretty compact. Don't forget "8GB" is marketing-speak. 8 Gigabytes is 8,000,000,000 decimal bytes (1000^3 bytes), which mathematically is 7,450,580,597 bytes (7.45GB, or 8x1000^3 / 1024^3). The iPhone with no content is 7.25 GB. So the OS is only about 200MB, not too shabby I'd think.
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rdecker
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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I am glad to hear that you can pull the SIM out of the iPhone and use it in the Blackjack. Knowing that I may just get one and use the BJ at work (for push email capabilities) and use the iPhone on nights/weekends.
Thanks for the information
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